There were no public defendants, and there was no system, other than a one-and-one assignment. Every lawyer was going to be, whether you were with hand-air and dog, whether you were attached along the appropriate lawyer, you got assigned, from the circuit court judge, a criminal case, right, murder of the law board. And so these lawyers were looking at …
And look, this is very, very informal, really a few checks coming in and spending time talking with us. I don't want this, it's easy for lawyers to evolve into taking that position. And I don't want it to be that I want to be sort of an open-ended conversation with you about your life and your career. And that's …