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And so those people are more disaffected. And I think the conservatives have identified them as potentially a pool for support. The problem is, can you actually get them on election day to come out and vote? I mean, in the last federal election, you know, it was difficult to cover the conservative campaign because for the first time ever, they did not allow journalists to travel with their campaign. So we had to, at city news, you know, drive all over Ontario, flying across the country, trying to catch up with Pauliev wherever he was. And it was difficult and it was expensive and it made it a lot harder to get to. But I did go to many of these Pauliev rallies, campaign rallies. I never won in Windsor, Ontario in a huge airplane hangar that he held there. Big, big crowd, 4,000 people, very young crowd. Those kind of people, potentially Joe Rogan times crowd. And there was a little bit of sort of freedom of convoy elements to it. There was, you know, vans parked out in front with signage about denouncing COVID vaccination mandates and things like, you know, that kind of stuff, right? So that's kind of like in that sort of Joe Roganie sweet spot. So, and you would go to these events and then you'd say, how is Pauliev not waiting? Just based on the size and the intensity of these crowds. I remember, I couldn't even use my phone from these events to post messages to acts because the cell networks were so overloaded, everybody was there, was young, so engaged. But at the end of the day, you know, it didn't pay off because getting younger people to actually show up at the polling booth on election day is a lot harder than it is with older people, older people vote. So to circle back, I don't think Pauliev is going to get deposed by his own caucus right now. But there's, you know, increasing unhappiness with the way he's been leading the party. People are now MPs who were previously, wouldn't say anything are now privately saying expressing doubts in conversation. And they're also saying it's an interesting thing is they, they don't really feel bound or constrained by anything he says before prior to the federal election. He had a pretty strong control over his caucus. And now as we head into this summer, you know, they won't be back until MPs won't return to Ottawa until late September. But there's going to be this, I think this period, as I say, of reflection within the party and thinking about which way they're going, does it ultimately affect Pauliev? You know, it's everything I've heard from him makes me think that he intends to stay on indefinitely. He's, you know, he's now decided he's going to be the opposition leader for however long it takes. Keep in mind, Karnie's majority of the House comments is pretty narrow. So possibly Pauliev is going to hang in thinking the honeymoon from Karnie will have to end and then potentially at some point, they could be in a situation where they can force an election and maybe he can have a chance of redemption. Well, let's talk about the economy. You know, Pauliev recently made comments about Canada being in a recession. He's rejecting that technical nature of it, like Karnie for the state of the economy. He did request an emergency debate on the economy that got rejected as well. What is exactly is he looking for from Karnie and the liberal caucus to, I guess, prove that Karnie is meeting Canadians where they're at in terms of this economic moment? Yeah, one of Karnie's big bonus feedays is his, obviously, his reputation as an expert on the economy. And, you know, he's been the governor of the 2G7 central banks, Bank of Canada, Bank of England. He had, he had been, you know, a stockbroker on Wall Street. He comes with an impressive resume on the economic front. And Pauliev, though, has in bizarre ways tried to question whether or not that's really the case. Remember the clips he gave talking about whether or not he was well-educated in economics? Yeah. You know, and Karnie went to, off the top of my head, I think he went, Harvard and Oxford was it? Anyway, like really good universities, right? And Pauliev graduated from the University of Calgary, fine school, but it's not Oxford, right? And Karnie was not, and Pauliev was not a, was never governor of a central bank. So, you know, that one seems like, that was a weird one, right? And again, this is what, I think it's raising some questions within party ranks about the approach that Pauliev takes, everything he's in attack mode all the time. What's it? Leader of the opposition? Yeah, you're supposed to oppose, right? You have to oppose. It has to be, I think the problem is with some of the strategies in opposition that Pauliev's conservators are using is it is always a 100% relentless attack, and even on areas that