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And more aggressive, I wouldn't say, well, certainly further right on the political spectrum, but kind of the influencer class. And that's where some of the conflict is kind of spilling out. There's an online feud going right now about a guy named Fred DeLory, who was a long time conservative, the Stephen Harper era conservative campaign worker. He ran the Aaron O'Toole campaign in 2021. He's now a commentator on another network and, but he's considered very well respected in the party. And you have now an influence, one of these influencers that Pierre Paulierves party seems to have embraced. In fact, they invited them out to this leadership events in Calgary, really brought them, tried to bring them to the tent because they think that they could reach people they weren't reaching before, particularly young men, something that kind of parallels the situation in the United States, the support for Donald Trump coming from young men. But this is actually spilling out in public, it's all over Twitter or X. Now, this sort of feud between, I hesitate to even say old guard conservatives because they aren't all that old guard. There's Stephen Harper era conservatives, people like Ian Brody, who had been Harper's chief of staff in his first term in government. I named Dan Robertson, who actively involved in conservative politics in Ontario at the federal and provincial level, kind of a marketing communications guy. He also getting in on that too. So it's a sort of a strange split. And we haven't really seen which way Paulierves is going to go on this, is he going to continue to try and embrace these voices that some believe in these Harper era conservatives really believe this too, is that these influencers could actually have a negative effect overall on the party. Yeah, they're very popular online, they get a lot of reaction, they get a lot of support, but Twitter, as you know, is not reality. And that may not be reflected in what's happening in people's opinions about the current conservative party. And it could potentially be also repelling some folks who see fairly extreme aggressive behavior from these kinds of people and are saying, eh, this is not the conservative party that I liked under Stephen Harper, certainly is the conservative party that I liked under Brian Mulroney before. Yeah. I'm curious to know your opinion. I mean, you know, we've seen Pierre Paulier go on these mainstream podcasts, Joe Rogan, Diary of a CEO. Again, appealing to that younger men generation of voters that he wants. But where do you think the importance is or where do you think he should be targeting his energy? There's more traditional conservatives that are, you know, that we see are kind of having a disconnect with these influencer conservatives or the younger generation. Like where do you think Paulier should be putting his energy towards right now? Yeah, that's a really interesting point. And I mean, Paulier did really well on Rogan and got a lot of reaction for it too. Rogan seemed to be impressed by him, seemed to like him. The question though, I mean, first of all, Rogan's, most of Rogan's listeners are in the United States. Right. Smaller percent. But still enough in Canada to make it worthwhile. And, you know, I think there were some questions being raised in liberal circles. Well, why doesn't Arda get out there? You know, why does Abby Lewis get on there? But, you know, I guess at the same time, it runs the risk that you're going to alienate people who don't like Joe Rogan, who thinks, who think that he is someone who traffics in conspiracy theories that he's very closely affiliated with the MAGA movement, which we know is toxic here in a way that it isn't in the United States. And then there's this other sort of basic demographic fact of Canadian politics and elections. And that is old people vote, young people don't. And I mean, you know, you can try every politician I've covered on part of my whole over, you know, nearly 30 years has tried to market themselves to younger people. And sometimes the results are embarrassing. I'll never forget watching former ADP leader Audrey McLaughlin do a rap, a hip hop rap, and it was agony because you could imagine, right? And she was in her 50s then, you know, you did not work. But things like that, trying to reach out to younger people, you know, it sounds great, but you know, I've always been of the belief in politics that younger people don't really care about politics until they start paying taxes or sending kids to school or trying to buy a house and having to deal with municipal governments, all those kinds of things. Those are things that get you invested in interested in politics because suddenly you have a stake in it. I think what Paul, I have this trend to do is use other issues. I mean, certainly affordability is a really, you know, an issue for everyone right across the spectrum hitting young people very, very hard. The job market is terrible for Canadians, for younger Canadians.