Wayne County Commissioners Meeting of May 20, 2026

[transcript] Welcome to the May 20th meeting of the Wayne County Commissioners. Please, everyone's already risen for the pledge. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Thank you, everyone. Dan Burke is here from the Wayne County Health Department, what have you got for us today, Dan? I'd like to go over self dispensing proposal, I've mentioned it, I believe in a meeting prior in a couple of different health board meetings. Run. No. That's from Mark. Sorry. Go ahead, Dan. That's all right. This has been reviewed by our legal counsel and we have online. He can't see us, but we can see and hear him our consultant, Josh, free from no code advisory. More than Josh, thanks for being with us. Good morning, glad to be here. So I'm going to go over some highlights of this. I believe both commissioners present have heard some of this in the prior meetings. So I'll touch lightly on it. And then if you have any questions, Josh and I mainly, Josh will be able to to answer all those questions or for us questions. So okay. So simply what this is is our 340B program. We treat hepatitis C, HIV, we provide prep medication, and we also do birth control, next plan treatment there to health department provide confirmatory pregnancy testing. So right now, when we prescribe a medication, when the physician prescribes a medication to a patient, that prescription gets sent electronically to pharmacy, which we call a contract pharmacy, and then they charge us a fee, and then it goes through a third-party payer called Verity, and they also charge us a fee. And then I have to pay for a medication, and then I get reimbursed a certain dollar amount for that particular medication. So if we move to a self dispensing platform, it would lower our fees quite a bit right now between the two, the pharmacy, and the third-party payer, I pay about 31% in fees on each medication. So it would lower our fees down. It would allow us to have a higher revenue retention a little bit of financial gains on that. We wouldn't have the contract pharmacy headaches anymore. We'd increase our profit margins or our revenue margins on the high cost medications. It's simplified and compliance reporting. It would simplify both of those. It works with our existing infrastructure. We wouldn't have to hire anyone. To do that, we wouldn't have to have any computers. We already have computers. We'd have to have a computer, but we already have them. We would not have to purchase anything. We'd have the full control, the comprehensive setup, and we'd have end-to-end administrative support. Josh is our 340B advisor, but he's also a co-owner of RX Fusion, which would operate this self dispensing model. In a year and a half, we've worked with his company. The communication line is very solid. We don't have to ever have to wait on an answer. He's always there to help us. He has worked personally with Chris, our attorney, to modify this contract or proposal. We have the choice to terminate this contract within the first six months with no penalties. All fees have been waived in the first six months. No minimum fee. The only fee that would be would be a 10%, we'd have to pay 10% on any revenue that we made instead of the 31% that we currently pay between the both platforms. That's about all I have. So I have a question about the six-month introductory time frame. So I said no fees, no penalties, no minimum requirement of because beyond that six months there's a thousand-dollar-a-month minimum correct or it's either a percentage or a minimum at that point. So it's 12% or a thousand- a thousand dollars if 12% is less than a thousand dollars. So each claim is capped at $500. That's correct. Most prescriptions wouldn't be that high anyway but some of your very expensive drugs, the percentage fee could exceed that and so we capped it at that amount. And so I appreciate the opportunity to have kind of a trial basis here of six months. I guess my question is in the seventh month if you decide for whatever reason this is not something that's working. What's the exit strategy? What's the exit plan if at any point from month seven to infinity? How do you get out of the contract? If I remember right we can exit the contract at any point we just have to pay what's owed after that. So if we have a thousand-dollar minimum coming up or 12% fee or whatever we'd have to obviously pay that debt off but to my knowledge we can exit that with just a written notice. Is that correct Josh? Well it's a fairly involved implementation so we do ask for a multi-year commitment but that that thousand-dollar minimum is that's like that would be doing like three or four HIV prescriptions. It might sound like a large amount it's a it's a handful of prescriptions. So knowing the clinic and the staff a little bit and then seeing the haven't seen the data I think you have very low risk of generating bar in excess of that of that of that minimum but that was kind of the purpose of the six-month of that sort of six-month introductory period that if it's not working you can get out. After that though we would like to we would like to see this program continue and if it's not working before that then we can cut it off then. Now there is some there is some clauses in the contract for you know if there's like a non-viability if something changes that's significant then you can get out for those reasons. If you lose your 340B status if something unforeseen happens there is that that ability to terminate. So if we if we decided for whatever reason we need to leave the 340B program whether we're compelled to leave it or we decide it's not worth our our effort we could we could get out before the five-year period and that's what I was referring to as far as getting out. If we have to dissolve the program there's no okay no penalty to that it's unfortunate but no penalty and we would we pay whatever debt we owed to our ex-fusion at that okay so really this six-month period puts you know the burden on you to decide how's it working is you know is is this able to be ramped up are we are we covering the thousand dollars a month and and you've been doing this for a while so you you you're not starting from complete zero so you feel comfortable that that six-month time frame gives you enough time to test the water and make sure things are working and I feel comfortable with that six-month if that six-month did not exist I would not feel comfortable with it but since that does exist I do feel comfortable moving forward as it's a person that sees the revenue and the expense come in every every week okay Aaron do you have any questions I think they've been cleared out and I appreciate the six-month two and again the burden's back on the end on that right just let us know then run from a strictly legal sense there's a term that I saw in the document that I can't seem to find definition for that is what's that mean it's just the date where we're we're up and running and we actually are able to dispense at that point so by the time we get our credentialing and our software up and going and all that stuff it's day one of operation full operation of self-discipline and periods to start starts on the go-live date so if that happens to be say July first then it's July first six months from that period because I envision that that reflects a bit of a ramp up if you will maybe bugs will be found and try to be bugged and problem solved and I can see that it's occurring during that period of time 30 some reticence day well the plug on it if you think well we got problem this time it's solved now two months in three months in three soon for six months and right we're still bugging I explain that correctly Josh yeah let me try to speak to that a little bit so we expect the implementation process getting contracted getting people trained on the software things like that that that generally takes two to three months so I would expect your go-live is somewhere approximately three months after an initial kickoff call just to work on the project and if we need to write a specific definition of go-live into the contract I'm comfortable with that I think man can speak to you know that I'm I'm a I try to be closer to the handshake deal end of the spectrum here but I recognize that if if we want to define that term we certainly can what I can tell you is I've done a bunch of these the the the the the process of getting to to live the only thing that delays that is just if the insurance companies take a while to get the contract implemented on their end but I wouldn't consider you live until we have your major insurance contracts in place that may not be every single current insurance contract in the world you're never contracted with everybody but we have a group network contracting that where you get a whole bunch of pharmacy payers all at once that usually only takes about a month right so so all that is to say you know if we if we were to start beginning in next month I would think we would take all of June all of July I'd say your go-live would be somewhere at the end of August and if we need to commit to something we can but rather than try to do a lot of modifications I think if you look at page 427 and 2.2.4 which is the convenience for the first six months if you're syndicated for six months after the go-live date I think that would satisfy and I think the two of you guys should probably exchange memorandum once you agree and they agree that August 1 is our go-live date they have something in writing for that in the two of you yeah I'm comfortable with that I think we want to usually have some flexibility because something unforeseen can come up during implementation and my intent would not be to hold you to a go-live date if we're not really live right it's yeah yeah that's kind of in the weeds and we don't need to need a problem right agreed yeah so did did your board approve this contract that you're yes they they approved to ask written to move forward to present it to the commissioners and so it's a recommendation yeah right it's a recommendation and so and so you'd be comfortable if we approved it with that change that you just suggested I think it's an excellent concept I really do I just okay I'm almost literally a five year agreement that's on the other limit of public purchasing statute in Indiana pushes that in a little bit but I think it's not they're not okay that makes you feel any better almost everything on the medical and it's five year contracts whether it's our EMR or contract pharmacy or it doesn't much matter most of more so Josh if you're comfortable with that change that that Ron just suggested on the go-live the six months starting at the go-live date then I think we yeah we're comfortable I'm very comfortable I'll make a motion to accept that with that change of the go-live date to that change I will second that motion any further discussion hearing none all in favor of the motion signify by saying aye I oppose same sign motion carries thank you appreciate that Josh if you could get that modification to me via email then I'll I'll get it over to the commissioners for signature I will get it over to you appreciate everyone's time thank you very much I think it's going to be good for the county I want to I want to let you know that the commissioners are very appreciative of the way you've worked with with Wayne County and and with Dan in particular you've been honest above board all the way through and and we feel like you have our best interest upper most in your mind and we really appreciate the way you've approached our our interactions so thank you very much I appreciate that that really means a lot to me a small company and appreciate working with folks like you so thank you thank you and thanks for joining us today all right have a great day you too all right and I wanted to mention real quick I'm on the workshop agenda tonight to discuss some of the grow grant so if you have any questions between now and then feel free to shoot them to me in an email and I can prepare the answer for this evening give me just the 50 cent tour of the grow grant I'm going to really I've simplified this since the last time I've spoke on it a few times so they're the requesting a commitment from county level so it's covers ten counties and that incorporates everything from government agencies to FQHC's to hospitals this is the federal money that has come to the state and this is how the state is choosing to allocate it don't hold me to this but I think it's like 20 or 30 billion across the whole country split up into the states I think in the end and maybe got 200 million our region is getting 30 glow over 30 million and how that's broke up is undecided at this point and that's over five years five year period so they they've asked us to group together do proposals for individual entities but submit it as a group so there's like 22 proposals within region four just for chronic disease and mental health part of that proposal was community health workers slash peer recovery coach and each health department which means and this is going to be treated as a reimbursable grant model so which means we would have to create a job description send it to Erwin get classified we'd have to go through the the whole process of a new position at this point I'm not comfortable moving forward with it I think there's too many questions to be asked and not no answers to be given at this point so I don't want to commit to a job I want to have to turn around and lay off in two years like it's just what happened in the health first Indiana so that the proposal that I originally submitted and spoke on a couple weeks ago I've kind of backed out of that I'm just not comfortable with it at this this point another proposal that Beth our Deputy Director of Clinical Services working on is a maternal and child health proposal and that is a passion of Dr. Bell's as well and it's something that we need in this county her proposal doesn't have any employees or anything it's merely a program that we can run with our own employees it's just a supplies type thing listed in that so she would buy glucose monitors and things like after pre just national diabetes and pregnancy testing and stuff and a large portion of that proposal that she has put in and is a mobile unit since we're selling ours if we could get that through which my doubt it will but if we could get it through that would take the stress of us as a department in the county as far as purchasing a new one so we're going to try to get that through now that it makes it but her proposal in total with the mobile unit was $600,000 so by time it gets chopped up and dissected and stuff or even approved it could be less I would just say this to your first comment about the community health position is that every employee who is hired based on grant funding is technically subject to that grant continuing to be funded and what we could do in this case and probably should do more frequently is post that information and I'm going to say we don't right now but maybe we do and I just am unaware of it post specifically it's a grant funded position that is only available as long as the grant is available so that people who might apply for it or accept that job know that it's based on whether that ongoing funding is available so if it's a position that you think is valuable and would provide benefit to Wayne County I think you should at least take it to the next level of talking to the council about whether they agree because in that instance it's a reversible grant it's going to have to be funded up front and so I personally understand in having when I was at Ivy Tech I managed grant funded positions and there are times when those grants go away and you have to part company with with the incumbent employee but it's if it's valuable for a year or two or three you're providing a service that you wouldn't otherwise be able to provide my advice would be taking to council to talk to to Barry you know the I'm going to present it to the committee and see what their feeling is on going forward I'll present it tonight at the workshop to them and kind of let them know when if they have questions obviously I'll answer them you know if it did happen let's say in a year or two and all honesty I would probably move through the contractual company that I use for to employ that person just so we don't have the heartache of all the the French benefits and things like that that go along and if the grant is and then at that point it's it's easier to sever that that tie unfortunately but right now I have a grant funded employee that is a county employee and the grant was cut so much that I'm going to have to move her to part time in the last six months of that grant cycle just to keep her employed so I don't do that in the future if I don't have to I recognize it's a challenge from a management perspective but at some points that's the funding you have available and and there isn't permanent funding available so and to the health department is the health department backs out read the health and neighborhood health are going to consume those positions so instead of us hiring they would hire them okay and can perform the same functions throughout the community all right all right thank you we'll see you tonight all right Teresa good morning Teresa is representing the EDC this morning thank you ma'am we'll see the boss at your meeting tonight this morning I am presenting and edic grant for primax plastics they it is in the packet on pages two through six so I've been working on this project with them for several months they have purchased a new extruding line from Italy it's over eight million dollar investment our board approved on May 11th and 85 thousand edic grant this will create six jobs their current FTE is 346 amongst all five of their buildings across the county their average wage currently is 2871 the county average per the state is 2416 so they're well above that they are a fantastic community partner they work on lots of different projects so we would appreciate the commissioners approving this edic grant Aaron do you have any questions I don't I'm familiar with grant what you're trying to get accomplished and I appreciate and I appreciate primax always willing to to work forward they are very community partners absolutely and I would be glad to make a motion I will second that motion 85 thousand dollars and they are Valerie tonight is going to request from the council that they transfer money from the housing accelerator line item which is currently appropriated to this line item and do you have the number of the line item off the top of your head there there has been 34 36 024 would be the line item that it's transferred into there's been a primax line in the past for previous grants so it could go back in that line item which is has a zero appropriation at this point but already has a number so that with a motion and second in a further discussion on recommending that the council fund this with a transfer tonight and approving this incentive grant Ron it's edic grant number 26-221 if you need that number we have a motion in a second no further discussion all in favor of the motion signify by saying aye aye those same side motion carries thank you very much Teresa have a good day you do the same thank you let's move on to mr. cross you're on the same page I think I will prepare a template for the all her issuance of the tax deeds for the three properties of the bail until that's not typical permission to put in a tax deed since we're going under different statues okay I'll get that and secondly I see I don't know I think tonight there's going to be discussion of the masterlies center price project I'm okay with the service piece of that financial perviel being through all the money analysis I had a little concern and are they operating any other public unity with any other public unity yeah and I'll have you to one of those government entities the operate on least the ones that I've searched have passed a resolution to do do business with this governmental entity which is source well it's a governmental entity out of Minnesota and they are basically the and enterprise has a has a QPA with them that's so source well because of the typical things that I'm sure they do in a private sector they don't raise your eyebrow I mean I give a voided check I'm not sure Mark wants to let a voided check go out over out of the auditor's office and so those are the only concerns I have the service piece of it I was quite comfortable yeah and whatever council where questions they have certainly I'm going to say you know take this center of advisement to give us a little more time to I looked it over and I you know I guess and totally are the other has this success if you will this approach yeah so I've reached out so far to five different entities that are using them they haven't used them for a long period of time so I don't have a good track record yet so I don't have a good response to you I see the convenience factor I'm not sure oh yeah the management and the convenience and the availability of cars from a bigger source of inventory throughout the nation but I want you to look at these resolutions or ordinances from other communities and yeah unless we're human that's the issue I have I know we can sanitize it with own rules correct yeah yeah all right that was it yeah and I guess as you're reaching out to these five entities one question would be have you used them long enough that the leases are expiring and they're renewing and they're making decisions on whether to purchase the vehicles or or just remember that that's one option the other option is that they just purchase that purchase that right and but all of those options if they've only been working with them for a year or two that probably the initial leases if they used leases would not have right of course to know what that especially when it comes to disposing of the vehicle if the payback is what they would represent but to Ron's point I think the biggest things especially when we find out how hard it is to get law enforcement vehicles anyway dealer to do that is just this bigger hot of dealerships that cars right available from right and and for more quicker delivery better availability instances in the past when the time we got availability with our extractor vendor we were into the model the year yeah why ain't it a year different yeah and and we're on a we're going to have one just like this in a few minutes going to ask for permission to put out a bid for 26 they may or may not be available and it would be a 27 model so the purchasing opportunities that we would have because the nation-wide company is remarkable that I agree on the we can just come make sure we have the right resolution and the place and I know they've worked with some governmental agencies that have rotated through both Lee St. Purchase but this is what you're talking about it's been run by the committee and it's gone yeah yeah we've talked about it a couple times and it'll it'll be on our agenda again tonight but I don't anticipate any different outcome once everybody has read the documents um and it's you know this this seems to be a significantly changed model from the last time we talked to Enterprise which was yes I don't know five or six years ago maybe at this point yes so they've learned over the years of you know what people need and what they value and and how they can work better I think they also adapted to what happened during COVID yeah law enforcement vehicles were hard to get because of this to sure possible a short member of the short ordering window period yeah it was like a few weeks at most yeah anyway so well okay and the leasing program I mean when we when we look at lease or purchase we shouldn't compare their lease program with the lease from like when you were I go to the dealership oh absolutely yeah that's a totally different out yeah configuration yes it is Ron do you have anything else read ambulance I think Matthew's on vacation this week but I think I've already talked to him and we're looking at how those are put together so it's um it's a process we need to start sooner than later um I think even once we have specs then we need to determine how broadly it might be advertised as I understand it it wouldn't have to be put out for for a quote but but it probably should be just to see what other interest there he is with other entities um and then am I right that after if we reach out for quotes we still have the ability because it's a service contract to negotiate with because it's going to be an IP you probably have a service center otherwise you know within the negotiate just in general overarching requirement between all the closures with fairness so if you get through the off the wall order on to back in order to be in a bidding voluntary order to bidding context okay if we have multiple closures at the shop if yeah I'm not sure I'm not sure but define the ordinance if it's regionalized okay okay all right any other questions for Ron okay Mr. Hagen-Buffam okay projects uh process what has occurred since last week uh fairgrounds parking if you've been out there the drains is all in the attention pond is finished and they have started removing dirt for where the gravel will be put down for the paint obviously this week has been a wash no pun intended it's very muddy out there right now so yeah I'm sure it's going to be some time before they get back on there obviously we're pushing up to fairtime which starts what second week in June the second week this year second week I think it's June 20th I think but hopefully we'll get some gravel down at least before the the fair starts that would be good and then the the camping upgrades talked to Brad Terrar yesterday and there well I had a schedule they think that'll be all done before the fair start so camping will have the upgraded 50 amp plugs and then we'll have water the long sounds very so that should be very beneficial to the electrical system out there had part of the parking lot was was camping moving the lights I think so the thing that's not been done yet okay so it's working around the poles okay yeah okay the uh we're still on scheduled to receive bits June 10th or the west side security entrance and the front entrance I want to focus on that discussion a little bit so you have before you pay sheet of paper that says courthouse front entrance and I just want to remember bringing this back in to focus this in just this project didn't include just fixing the front entrance remember it was moving all the brick that was bad installing the sidewalk on this side fixing the security around the transformers in the north side of the courthouse making the front entrance ADA accessible so when this project was first started council was given the bid bid figure that we received and so the contractors bid was 395,000 if you remember we had already talked about doing this sidewalk on the east side the one that was going from the north part of the annex to the public sidewalk that was not in the bid specs but we knew what the cost was going to be so we included that cost number in our overall figures because we knew that that would be treated as a change order later on so that east side sidewalk was $6,250 the LWC contract was 425 so the total number the total amount for ARPA funding was $443,750 and that's what what was earmarked for this project remember we didn't build in the contingency in the ARPA funding we put that in the general fund and council approved the 10% contingency out of the general fund so the total funding for the project was $488,125 so thus far we've had some change orders and for various reason I'll go through this so number one the change order number one remember right out of the gate we we got some pushback from the courts that due to the duration of using the south entrance as the alternative entrance they wanted a different plan we came up with that to use the front entrance but remember we accelerated the timeline to authorize them to work evenings and on weekends so that they would get that done more quickly so that it wouldn't so we didn't have any instance where the front entrance was closed down right also as they're removing those bricks it was discovered underneath there there was about eight inches of concrete that was a base which had to be jackhammered and removed and that also included concrete normally under paving bricks you have sand but this had eight inches of concrete I can only guess that they did this because this was built on fill and to keep it from sinking when there was no reason to put eight inches of concrete under a sidewalk bricks well on the east side on the east side under those paper bricks where the walkway was was eight inches of concrete that just seems amazing to me oh it's extraordinary eight inches I know I know I know I know I know I know so that change order was that change order was $11,000 then once they got the new handicap ramp in we needed a curb cut because they need to be able to access where the handicap parking was going to be if you didn't put this curb cut in they would have had to go around that island which would have put them out into the travel portion of the roadway so we change order number two was a new 88 curb ramp then change order number three was that east side walk that we talked about change order number four remember the original bid just had hand rails at those steps did not include guard rails and because of the height of the planters we added hand rail we added guard rails to the hand rails and there was not any chamfering of the corners on the walls they just were squared off so the wall on the courthouse that where the lights are we had to match that chamfering so they would all match aesthetically and then number six the change order was the transformer fencing that required change because of what RP&L required with respect to expanding the distance that was the fence from the transformer so they had safety space for disconnects and it included putting gates in putting gates in on both sides and expanding the concrete platform so the total change orders thus far is $44,536 there are some pending change orders that we've not approved yet number five the change order if you remember the lights out here in the annex parking lot are fed from underground with the exception of one the light that was in the island on the west side of the parking lot was fed from an overhead line these lights that are to be installed cannot be fed with an overhead line they're not designed that way so it has to have an underground line from one of the lights to it you're replacing the overhead to an underground yeah change order number seven the original bid specs had 13 lights this is the written specs the documents the the plan the plans the diagrams and 14 so the bid included 13 this is a change order to include that extra 14th light and your number eight is photo cells these lights that we currently have worked off of timer the years they had been converted to photo cells so there's the timing system is no longer viable to use so we need to install photo cells in these lights number nine is it is voided number 10 this is the ballers that we talked about the majority of that cost remember is the tariffs so the so far the anticipated pending change orders would be $24,500 to $4 one thing that is not on here is a dollar amount assigned to power the lighting remember that when this was bid there was an assumption that these lights were ours and the lights along four street were ours and powered by us they're not they are RP&L lights when four street was vacated RP&L district where they served was not vacated so they were still RP&L lights so they were going to have to be removed and they wanted to take with them the foundation of the lights because they can use those someplace else we negotiate with them so they have left the foundations and they have left the wiring but obviously they're no longer hooked to the cities power system so we have to power these lights up from power power system I don't have a dollar amount on that yet the and then because of all those change orders additional LWC fees are 32,847 dollars so the original project amount was 488 125 what we have committed to thus far with change orders and payments to LWC is 514 883 so there's a deficit if in fact everything was paid today the works we're not in the red in these accounts this is if everything was finished and we paid this out would would be 26,758,758 over the original approved amount of 488 125 that's correct they included a table sink contract that was budget that includes contingency so tonight obviously I'll be presenting to council requesting an additional commitment to fund 55,000 it's 51 262 that is the change orders that we've not approved plus this anticipated deficit so the the change orders that have already been approved are total 44,536 so that number is I guess I'm just being thrown because the the east side saw the sidewalk is listed specifically both at the very top and as an approved change order none of the other I wanted to include I wanted to include that number in the amount that council because we knew that number going in and that's what we presented to council so I had I think I need to include it in the approved amount because they they did approve that amount if you look at the original ARPA number it's the 443 750 which includes the 6250 okay okay got you and then we still no no I'm sorry go ahead we then we expended it right by the change order okay and then the no dollar amount assigned to power the lighting so that'll still be additional to yeah if it's if it's anything like number change order number seven I mean I would think that it would be in that same ballpark it's about the same distance six or eight thousand dollars okay okay and so but once I got that number I would go back to council and share that with them okay well you know we were close and I guess I guess my question to Ron would be and to Steve I guess is the number 10 change order number 10 the ballards so that number eight thousand one thirty eight forty one includes any issues we had you remember they they initially put in the ballards that are there right now red this does not include that that was part of the original contract right I mean to put ballards in there by man by I think really where they put them is a problem great they put them as a problem and what they what they put in is the problem so we had agreed I thought to cast iron sleeves to go over and apparently that was not included in the base bed correct and that's why they came back but but what they put in was not would not accept the cast iron sleeves they have to modify it and they put them in the wrong place correct so this number is only for what we ordered not for the two extra ones and not to modify the existing ones to accept the cast iron sleeves okay so this is to pay for five covers cast iron sleeves and to install them no because I I think they should have been installed yeah we were in paper installation sorry so it's to cover is to pay for the sleeves and the tariff the rest of is essentially this is to pay for the sleeves yeah then that's it okay this does not include the installation so that's the cost they've already been installed that's the cost of five sleeves correct which includes tariffs right I anticipate this will be the resolution because I and I guess my question to you is does that knowing what you know about the situation is that the appropriate amount that we should be paying should we pay less well the the original change order was for like 16,000 and that was to to do the installation of the two extra ones which I don't think we should pay for and to pay for the installation of sleeves which had they installed the right ones to start with in the right place right place we would so only need five I'm suggesting we only need to pay for the sleeves unfortunately it includes tariffs right which yeah that's just me that's our reason that if it hadn't been if you take the tariff off here it's about 85% less yeah 85% less well and 5% but the tariff was 85% is the 32847 additional fees on LWC does that reflect any of the negotiating discussions? No and it will no you're exactly right because what I think going forward because you know we're still in the proc that I'm going to expect some credit off that 32,000 no I agree with that and based on others I I'm not sure what that number would be yet because I don't know I haven't looked to see exactly what kind of time they've spent on the stuff that wasn't our fault so I think we should get a credit to that as well I agree I think we should not be paying for them to redesign something that was designed for in the front rows of first place the 1000s of jeans covers the worst piece scenario and we hope so yes yes yes okay okay so to to complete everything we're talking about here we need 51,000 plus 44,000 375 which is the 10% contingency and it doesn't have to be appropriated none of it necessarily it's already out of there so that 44,000 is in the 51,000 it's not is it no that's in the contingency that's already in the contingency and where is that contingency it's in there one time exactly so I'm saying that's what that's what the the total ask is to them that we need you to spend 95 96,000 dollars out of contingency eventually but they've already they've approved yeah understand that but you're right but now we need to spend it it's appropriate it's appropriate it's their one time expense line that will in all likelihood come out of the the joint project fund which is a million 52,000 dollars of which we committed 50,000 dollars to to the restructure of of the building and ground it's basically a contingency cover jingurts 1, 2, 3, 4 and 6 correct yes yes find it right right right okay any questions on that I think that was enough questions thank you for I mean this has been you know challenge you know I said at home last night thinking you know how my words will formulate to explain this to council I haven't come up with that yet you know you almost had to have lived through it to understand the explanation but I will say that I think the end result is going to be well worth it it's it's good already now yeah so yeah it's all in the follow-through right yeah well so we're all on the same page so thank you next item if I've given you a couple of handouts just so you can see this I don't know why this is popped up like this you know we always had a hundred dollars in petty cash over the years to pay but I'm talking about building grounds to pay for postage shortage and postage shortage it would be 10-15 cents so you know how do bucks went so last week on two different days I didn't run the first day because I just thought it was an anomaly but then the second day we've got some and then Monday of this week you've got some and these are postage due to get so we had to pay for this to get these from post office obviously they came in postage due from the from the unreliated center correct now remember Jeff and I didn't think this was private for you were there was commissioner didn't do anything about the clerk the court clerk had asked that we do this because when if an attorney sent in papers for court and it was postage due and if we didn't it would go back then it would delay papers getting to a particular court hearing or whatever so the clerk always asked us to do this we have petty cash to do it this year and again I don't know why this happened whether it's been a change in this form but you can look the majority of these are to the assessor and I assume these must be personal property assessment forms that they're turned in but you can see some of them is they're seven dollars and 47 cents yeah and this one is certified and it's got seven 47 on it a couple of them to the township assessor in that first batch and then the last one for five dollars and 43 cents was to the corners office and if you look up the return address it looks like it's a company that provides training materials so I don't know what's in the envelope but they sent it postage due then on the next the next batch again a lot of these went to the assessor and the township assessor the last one went to the jail commander and it's from a law firm out in Carmel out so the law firm was sending something to the jail post certified and postage due of 637 so my question to you when I get these can I give you we're paying with the McCredicard can I when the McCredicard bill comes in can I give them to Bobby and you pay him from your postage account or do you want a different policy on what we do with postage due or combination both there's something we're probably not going to discuss and I think I think we need to but you know this is the first we're hearing it but it's starting to add up there's 60 bucks because the first one was 20 some and both of these are 20 some so it's been 65 bucks in the last two weeks one of them was a property tax payment because it went to the trailer so I assume it was for property tax just looking for some kind okay run from the legal perspective if it's going to the clerk's office how big of an issue is that if if it gets sent back to a law firm for postage due and well I mean I'll be paid by him up the court's syndrome okay we agree on that another question is cost us more to call rules say that that filing is considered complete upon mailing that's right and therefore like most attorneys I probably resemble them they wait the last minute and so so what a date they'll mail it is the date that they want to make sure it gets file marked as and so I think that is the if you will the reason behind I have no problem with the notion that it gets has to be paid and it can be paid and then I do have a problem with the clerk not charging it back to the center but you know problem there's it costs us more to collect 34 cents for a particular letter it's going to cost us more I mean a lot mean the practicality you know the 20 bucks got to be attention yeah yeah well 34 cents I mean but but those added together and like I say the ones to the assessor's office I assume there's the deadline on those filings too sure the clerk's I can see could have substantive issues I mean you could because some of the stuff because the trial some of the stuff if you missed it you missed it so if you're a notice of appeal for instance and you don't get it done in that 30-day period you don't get it it's your stitches it's your stitch so we're talking about three four hundred bucks a year maybe now that we just ran something isn't that yeah if this two-week trend continues well that's right but this is just because I didn't win the personal property do maybe 15 yeah maybe some yeah I think it's 10 but these are fast dude they just got here anyway so so how did you go back and and check and see how much we've paid on this over the last six months 12 months you just looked at these because it came to your attention because okay okay the other ones were just you know few cents at a time and Jordi had more of the clerk's office sometimes we would get them get a few for the property tax but these are the first ones I remember for the assessor that when don't we start tracking this you know shoot a copy of the of the letter so that we can track is there a particular person or company that's like that one tender that was from a wall from them out and out in Carmel yeah I don't want to know what and whether that was for the sheriff's officer for an inmate or what I mean you know right yeah well in me male it can be screen but it has their limitations to that but I mean I don't know they ought to they ought to be aware I'll find out what it was I don't know the immediate issue and obviously what you want to do is I don't have a post is mine I don't know we paid for these with the credit card so I'll give it to you post it well why don't Bobby you have a credit card for the commissioners office don't you no okay oh maybe I need to get HR has one which all comes out of the first budget so we may just need to pay for them out with a different credit card Steve but okay thank you do you have time to approve claims first can we do that tonight yeah okay and I know he is all right go ahead good luck all right that's we can go ahead and talk but we can't take an official action I need some action on a couple things well we can we can do it tonight but if if they're simple things we don't need to discuss tonight in detail sir what's your event it's there annual oh yeah that's in November or October it's it's no time soon no so yeah we can we can take care of that next week if not in the last thing just a action and I'm sorry the police car thing the bitty are posting that advertising that I would be more comfortable having a recommendation from the fleet committee that we go ahead and do that so tonight will be perfect for that anyway then the other thing you saw my email to Adam porous on the well care walkthrough I've not received anything from Adam um well on on July or June 1st it's our building again anyway right and so I'm just going to go ahead transfer utilities I think you've got it on your nose to add that back into our insurance and should um does the health department have a have their own line item for utilities or does that just come through building and grant that's what I thought okay so yeah it's just transfer to us okay and I just want to offer for them to walk through us because certainly there's a possibility we're applying some stuff that you're right so we'll and so I would assume you'll hear back from either Adam or Eric don't want to breath on Eric okay that's all I've got all right well I guess since we can't take official action on anything uh we'll end the meeting and you can take official action I'm sorry you can take official action you just can't take final action official action it's talk I can I can talk a lot longer yeah oh you that's that's your you you are you are spitting out official them okay you can't even take a vote through adjourn no but I can I can take unilateral action to adjourn by just pounding the gavel once all right Ron did you have anything else that um we're I guess let's talk through the the issue of the the building on on north sixteenth street that we did not put in the certificate sale on the theory that the city wants the property they still want the property they would rather not have it through this certificate um because of the time involved in them taking taking uh getting title to the building and I I think the same steps would be required for us to get title for ourselves right yeah I mean so it's it's it's the matter of well I think they don't share the burden because the backlog in there but that was if they went through they're unseeing tearing it down well that had under the unsafe building we followed there to their unsafe building and they've got a time process that's right notice to notice him submitting him so stuff like that essentially my argument to them was or my my discussion with them was in the past we have taken on that burden that cost of acquiring title and then and then selling the building or or transferring the building with title already already processed and the only difference it is it would be on them for the expense and the work to to title search you know basically is the primary expense and then they have to notify uh or or notice the uh potential um any one of our sort of the interest of the claim um so if if we chose to actually take title to that building and then transfer a title to them what what would be the cost and the timeline for us to do that hand can we still do it i mean because we're we're i i i i i i i know more than six months past the when did this sell and you know when did it fail to sell i mean it's okay it didn't sell in the last fact sale last fall it didn't sell the tax pull it out of the commencement sale well we didn't have a commissioner say we had a certificate sale so it did not go through the certificate sales so do we need to wait until it goes through another tax sale that's that's that's the issue we're faced with now i'll call yes all right it's all right attorney and okay his name is key to me okay okay and so you know i think for the first time we went through a certificate sale that worked relatively smoothly there is one issue that still goes along with that uh one of the properties for whatever reason that was a vacant lot got listed as a $500 didn't get crossed bit up over 500 but it started 500 i guess no no i think it went at 500 i can double check that but i i believe there was only one bit at five hundred dollars but it's a vacant lot which should have been listed at one hundred dollars and so is there a cheap hated but my question is is there any remedy to that and my my expectation is no yeah i mean i don't think there's a much conceptual difference between a certificate sale on the deed sale it's each you're getting the interest that's been joined in the prior process of notice which has always been very jammer whoever did the sales but i was very vehemently say this is buyer me where folks you know well but again my my issue is we set we set at the minimum bid it's based as a bear lot one hundred dollar minimum bid a lot with a structure on it was five hundred dollars and so somehow i got set at five hundred dollars when in fact it was a bear lot which should have been set at one hundred dollars so you know is is there anything that can be done on that should there be anything done on that and okay well we can't take any action on it today other than talking about it so Steve unless you or Bobby have anything else that we can't take action on is there anything that you have to look it up it's immediately the lot immediately north of the old north chapel on 16th so it's like 200 something i think off of off of the car between being sent and land i'm sorry see y'all didn't want it no no no it's it's not it's not on his street he's on 10th street this is on 12 but what do you have that needs to us to take action tonight at workshop okay you had a hotel change but that didn't have to happen until next week no i got that last night i don't even have a chance to look it over yet okay all right then we are adjourned thank you everyone oh i need to officially you