We Shape Our AI, Thereafter It Shapes Us [20:16-25:16]

And that got shortened to Kate. So I spent my whole. Yeah. Teenage had been Kate. I bet you got beaten up in Scarborough for that in the chip shop, Keith. I definitely created a few tense moments after school that say that. But yeah, so I think, I think. We've said that open AI or I've said is probably going to end up being worth 10 trillion. I still think that I think and by the way, I think anthropic might be worth three to five. You know, again, that's. Very long term. Let's focus a little bit more on the concrete. One of your critiques, which I think is a good one. And I think you and I probably agree. I mean, the New York Times review, I think, was a good one said that. That the movie tried to cover so much it ended up being more confusing than clarifying. But the parts were fascinating. I think that's a fair reflection on the film. You said earlier, is that no one really was defining what AI was, which is the problem with the film. Because then really they weren't really using it. Maybe Daniel, Daniel Roa, whether or not he was quite as inexperienced innocent as he claims, but he certainly didn't seem to, I mean, he was presented as the guy who knew nothing about AI. I needed to be educated by all these people. But as you say, you need to know something about it. And there was a good open a, uh, op-ed in the New York Times, which you list in this weeks by, uh, in this week's newsletter by Ezra Klein, who, for popular podcaster and writer, the author of course of abundance or co-author of abundance. And he writes, I saw something new in San Francisco. And he writes about AI as someone who uses it. He brings up the McClue and quote, the famous McClue and quote, about, um, do we use, do we use AI or does AI use us, which I think is particularly relevant. So what does, um, what does clients say about AI? And why is this perhaps more useful to read that than watch the AI dog? So Ezra Klein's piece really is about the, um, the triumph of agency. It, it, his visit to San Francisco resulted in him noticing how many people using, uh, open claw, which is this interactive personal assistant style agent that was released to open source and then acquired by open AI. Um, very similar to the TBPN acquisition. It's going to, it retains its separateness. And, um, uh, it, it's now being run by Dave Morin, who's a well-known Valley venture capitalist and entrepreneur. Um, and open claw basically is an empowering tool for a human, uh, that gives the human a massive boost in productivity and control, actually. Um, and, uh, but it comes with some risks because you have to give it access to your computer, which I do. And Klein, who's, um, on the East Coast, of course, was an observer of this in, in the same way that the movie was made by an observer. Um, and came away thinking that, um, this is a kind of a change in the whole way things I use. Now, since then, um, anthropics clawed as, as morphed to move in the direction of open claw, it hasn't quite gotten there yet. It's way too hard to turn it into, into a, yeah, but it will. I mean, that's almost inevitable. I think so. It's, uh, I've played with the efforts they've made so far and they're, they're not as good as open claw, but they're, uh, you know, I want them to succeed because I kind of like the, the, the anthropics. Right. But Klein's point is, he, he, he, he says, why we need a good, the dose of, um, uh, his famous line, which he may not have actually said was the best lines aren't actually said by the people who were, we believe they said, we shape our tools and they're after they shape us. And I think Klein's point is that this AI is shaping us as individuals. Yeah. He, uh, he, he, and I think he's right that, um, the, and I'm quoting him, he said, the effect is to constantly reinforce a certain version of myself. And that's what these AI's do. They pick up on aspects of ourselves and they push them. I mean, maybe they're complimenting us. Maybe they're trying to get us to self improve. But I think it's an interesting observation. Yeah. Self-improvement is, of course, I think the motivation of all technology ever.