John Bush Takes Us Inside Anthrax's 1990's Era | Exclusive Interview [20:12-25:18]

Catan Fiddles here, it's a place called Supervin now, but we went there many times when it was a catan fiddle and drinking, when I was recording both those albums, so it's cool, it's just funny, I'm there every day for the most part, and going, well, there's El Dorado, and sometimes I ring the bell to see if somebody will answer, just I don't know what I'm going to say, hey, can I come in? I made two records here, but yeah, I was cool, and Dave Jordan, unfortunately, he just died recently, which was very sad, but it was awesome, and he was just a great guy, and just as eccentric, no frills type of guy at the same time, and I love working with Dave, and he made some killer records besides the ones I made in Osprey, and that was the other band he was Red Hot with, and he's awesome, and his legacy will live on. Absolutely, and tell me about the creation of Black Lodge, which is one of the great songs on the record. Yeah, I think Charlie had this idea, because those guys were all into Twin Peaks, the TV show, very into it, and you know, David Lynch, and the music was just really cool, and ambient, and moody, obviously, and the guy, Angelo Balonamenta, did that, so they had this idea of seeing if he would actually, I think he had a songwriting credit, as a matter of fact, so I think he, so I think he added a lot of parts, obviously a lot of strings and stuff, and it was definitely a departure for anthrax on that song, for sure, they had nothing like that before, so it was really cool to do it, and it's a really moody song, and we made a video. It was probably not the right video in retrospect, Mark Pellington, I think his name, director who did the Jeremy video, and was a happening director, and went on to do film and stuff, but it just got, it was too out there, you know, the video is just, it didn't really show the band at all. I think there was one clip of each band member's face that fast, and that was it, we were not in the video at all, as a matter of fact, it's kind of funny, because Jenna Elfman, who went on to be a big actress, obviously, she was, she was starting a career, and she's like the main woman in that video, so, and it was cool, I mean, I like the video, it's weird, and certainly just very moody, but I just don't think it was, it was the appropriate video to showcase the band, and then we put it out second, which was not a good idea either, so we had this crazy, you know, powerful song like only as a first video, and we should have followed up with another song like Room for One More, just to kind re-emphasize what the record was about, but then as it goes, it happens a lot in the music business, the record label's like, go for the valid, go for this, and it's like, not yet, no, we're gonna do it, no, not yet, we're gonna do it, all right, and probably not the best decision, but, but it's still a great song, and it's a killer, it's still a, it's a great musical combination with having Angelou in it, and I have this idea to, hopefully have a keyboard, player, friend of mine, do the keys on Black Lodge Live, so I think it'll be really cool and sound awesome, to hear that. Yeah, and before the record came out, I read that Anthrax had signed like a huge record deal with Electra, and was the sound, this transition in the sound part of this, part of the idea? Well, I think that, you know, it's funny, because Anthrax and Motley Crew both signed these big record deals with Electra, new label. Well, actually, I think Motley was always on Electra, where they kind of signed a new deal. Anthrax was on Island Records, and they both fired their singers, so they signed these big deals, and then they fired their singers, because Vince Nils fired at that time, and I'm sure the label was like, going, wait, what? We just gave you all this money, and now you're firing your singers, what do you do it? So, I'm sure the label was just scratching their head, going, okay, but I think that, for me, I was just like, okay, I'm the new singer, so I'm just embracing it all, but, you know, I think that the 90s, it was a different time. It was a new generation, of course, all the things that were kind of morphing musically that was happening. All these amazing bands, Exxongar, Nelson Chains, Faith No More, all these bands that were really having a lot of impact in the early part of the 90s, obviously, Nirvana, but it was cool. It felt right, it felt like it was time for a change. I don't think that, in retrospect, that we set out to say, we're going to, we certainly didn't want to emulate anybody, and we wanted the band to sound like it did, but we were cool with having this new decade and feeling like some new fresh