Meet the extraordinarily talented Karen Caldwell of Karen Caldwell Design. [5:02-10:06]

part-time in San Francisco. And we didn't realize it at the time, but the vineyard IEDA vineyard had a reputation of being an incredible wine. And so we ended up working with both Larry Turley who's an amazing wine maker. And we ended up doing a few cases ourselves and got into the wine business. It was really, it was a great trip. It was a great, great time in our lives. And Chuck Minne ultimately bought that. Absolutely. He did. He is one of the nicest men. Him and his wife, Ann are the nicest people. And we're so lucky. They were so excited about the vineyard. And at that time, we had two small children and we weren't sure where we were going, where we staying in San Francisco, where we can go up to the wine country more often. And so it just, it came at the right time. And it ended up being a great thing and certainly it changed our lives very much. So you were in the, you had the Ott Gallery, Cobalt Snyder in San Francisco when you were living there and commuting up here. And you still have the Ott Gallery down there. And then opened one here in St. Helena, which is absolutely spectacular. Oh, thank you. Yeah, yeah, really spectacular. Well, we ended up, we sold the vineyard, but we didn't want to sell our dream of being here on weekends. And so we ended up finding another place on West Symphony Lane. And that's where we, we became neighbors, became neighbors for ten years. And it was wonderful and beyond. And we, we started building this beautiful home there and doing all the landscaping. And every time we go down mainstream with the kids to go somewhere, we'd see this for cell sign in the star building, which is this historic building on Main Street. And we always kid around and we'd always say, oh, if that building comes up for, you know, comes up for sale, we're going to have to purchase it. Our family names star. Everybody in my husband's side of the family, their middle name is star, including our son. So we thought that was funny. And what happened, it came up for sale. They didn't check our first offer. And so we thought not meant to be. And I believe it went through two other escros, but because of the retrofit coming up, which is pretty, pretty normal. It's a work and financially the other two deals blew out. And so we went back in and gave them the same offer. They said, yes. And then, and then I remember, because we were living on Zinfandel Lane, that all of it did the architecture for that. I mean, that building is absolutely exquisite. Absolutely. Thank you very much. Such an amazing job. It is a great building. And that's so nice. You see that I was done building beautiful. Absolutely. Not so much my first spot. We were convinced Jimmy Hoffa was buried under the floorboards. It had been a little neglected and it was just old from 1900. So the fix it up was a dream for us. But it's spectacular. Thank you. Thank you. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. And so when we were first friends on Zinfandel Lane, you weren't in the fashion business. And I remember how you started to slowly get into it. So tell us how that, how that got off the ground. I love, I love clothes. You could ask my husband, I'm a shoeaholic, persaholic, and fashion is restaholic. And but what happened I have, I have, I'm a rather tall person, and I have long, long arms, a long legs. So everything always had to be re-evaluated, re-soned to kind of work with me. And through the years as I was little, I had the same problem growing up, you know, having, adding lace to the bottom of my pants because they were too short. And so I learned to sew. And as I got older, I love vintage clothes, things from the past, especially 1930s up to the 60s. And so I would always kind of create something and wear it sometimes. And I'd often have women come up to me and say, where did you, where did you get the sofa? Who is this? And I said, well, it's something I made. And it was great. It was nice to have a nice compliment on something you made. And it ended up morphing into something larger than I thought it would. And I love it. I love working with women. So my beginnings really start from a love of vintage, a love of creating something with a little bit of my creative energy in mind and making women so happy, making them feel good self-esteem. So that's where it began. But your inspiration really came from your grandmother. She tell us about your grandmother. I have a Nana Carla. She was wonderful. My father's stepmother actually, his real mother died when he was a young boy. And his stepmother, Carla, Nana Carla, which we called her, she lived in Hollywood since the late 20s. It was very avant-garde. She was very creative. She danced. She was a dancer to pianist. But her biggest claim to fame was being a choreographer and a dance model choreographer for Walt Disney Studios. And she would also appear in films in the background as a dancer in MGM Films and whatnot. And when we go to visit her where they live near the Hollywood Hills, growing up, she always just would come out and get the front door open. And we would see her and she always had the clip on earrings, a beautiful blouse. And she just, she always just took care of herself until the day she passed away. And I think seeing that always inspired me to,