Justice Consuelo Marie Callahan, Circuit Judge, United States Courts of Appeal [35:25-40:29]

have to do I can rise to the occasion I will work hard and I'm not going to let I'm not ever going to be intimidated again I understand how to approach things and be successful on things and I've never and I've not looked back from that and so while at the time I didn't find that to be a pleasant I experience looking back I think it made me really much stronger and it also made me pull that you know go but into myself and realized that I'm not going to let the outside world define what I can do and who I am and I'm not going to let people make make me feel doubtful of what I know to be true and I've never suffered from that lack of confidence or I've never allowed myself to fall prey to that again not to say that I don't get nervous like anyone else but I not in the way that I did that first year of law school and in that first year when you said there were less than ten women in your class we're talking 1972 to 1975 right those ten or those women make it through all three years as well I think I think basically all of them did except one didn't come back who was my first year roommate and you'll love this her last name was Justice and I'm not sure that she could not have come back but I think that she chose not to because she had been very sheltered she came from out of state and just she had too many things on her plate at one time being a law student the pressures of law school being away from home at all at one time that she elected not to come back and finish but I think otherwise I think otherwise everyone else did did you have any mentors or role models or favorite professors other than the man who would say for save you for ladies day well they're actually one turned out to be kind of a favorite of mine and I'm not sure I was his favorite student at the time but I think I became one of his favorite students is Claude Royer professor Royary and the interesting part about that was he was my contract professor and after I left law school I didn't have as much to do with a law school for a while because I when I moved to Stockton and I wasn't here but when I came back to the court of appeal I got very involved with McGeorge and he still was a professor there he was still there it was like nothing to never change the clock had not moved forward and we actually became very good friends and it was a fun thing to come full circle and and there were a number of the professors that was still there coming back so I you know I think I would say that he and I I went back and looked and he was the one that gave me my diploma that I have I actually have a picture of it in chambers and I went back and made a picture for him later that so we we both looked a little younger and a little better but it it was fun to see that it had come back full circle it's come back full circle in a number of ways because you've been very supportive of Pacific McGeorge you've been very involved can you tell us about a few of those activities that you do for Pacific McGeorge well I ended up getting back involved with the alumni the alumni board and I ended up being president of the alumni board I frequently will I do gas lectures there I frequently do mentoring with students I have students that serve as my externs and from that involvement as well I've I'm now a region for the University of Pacific which is the is the main campus of its Pacific McGeorge and so it's the main campus so education has become a big focus of things that I'm interested in and I think with maturity and appreciation of my career even though I didn't like and enjoy law school I'm very grateful for all the doors that it's opened all the opportunities that it's presented me with and just a wonderful legal career and and making me a very good lawyer and also being there for me as I proceeded through as a lawyer the confirmation process even for the federal court the Dean wrote me you know was supportive of me wrote a letter and all of those things and so I guess I have an indebtedness and a gratitude that I've been very happy to have the opportunity to repay and be involved with well you're probably one of their truly one of their more famous alumni coming up to the judiciary puts out a lot of great alumni and you have to be in those ranks I would imagine well hard to say but I'm but I'm there and we know you are yeah now I want to know after you graduated from McGeorge you went to Stockton did you did you know what you wanted to do why Stockton what was your first job well I actually and this also seems somewhat incredible as I evaluate life as it