Meet the extraordinarily talented Karen Caldwell of Karen Caldwell Design.

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Hello everybody we have Karen Colwell of Karen Colwell Designs in the house today and Karen's going to be talking to us about fashion, Hollywood and how Napa Valley inspires her designs. Karen welcome to the show and thank you for having me beautiful earrings. I think they look amazing on you by the way. I just want to let you know those look stunning. You look fabulous. Thank you. Hollywood like to match you. Tell us the road to Napa Valley. When you first came here, I know before you were here you were a stand up comedian and I believe your husband all of it was as well. So tell us about that. Well I can't say I can professionally list that as my career but I did I did some improv classes in San Francisco. We were both living in the city and I did some open mics. Let's just say I did okay but I don't have an HBO special with my name on it so obviously Jen goes for it. It didn't go as well as I had planned but my husband loves comedy and he also did some fun comedy classes and I think that's one thing that we love about our relationship as we really do love to last and I think that's an important thing in life. To have laughter and happiness as much as you can find it. Yes that reminds me of one time I was running by your house and I stopped to talk to you on Zinfandel Lane when we were neighbors. For a very long time. All friends. And I remember you telling me everybody should do something creative in their life. Absolutely. And there's so many things you can do and think outside the box as well. People often think of painting or sculpture or music. There's things you can do if they're very creative and you just have to find that little bitch for yourself. You and all of the amazing marriage of talent. Unbelievable talent from interior design, architecture, you own an art gallery, you've been in the wine business, you're a fashion designer, he's a fantastic musician and singer. How did you meet? We met at the film premiere of a film called I Married in Axe Murderer. This is the true title. And it was that's a palace to find arts in San Francisco and we are introduced through a friend of his, a beautiful lady named Linda. And we met there initially. But I was dating somebody at the time and I believe he was just busy with lots of things. So we just met, hit it off. I love speaking to him. He was so fun to converse with. Interesting. He's very interesting man. He's an art galleries and so it started off meeting and then a few months later meeting up again and running into each other. And that's where it all began. So you were both living in San Francisco? You were both living in San Francisco. And then what was the road to Nephavale? How did you make that transition? Well, when we were dating, we were actually on the weekends would often come and play golf at Chimney Rock, which was a great golf course here. It's really there. The winery is still here of course. And we would come up and stay the night and then drive back on a Sunday. And then what happened, we just thought, God, it'd be wonderful to own a piece of land here. And it was kind of ingest. And we weren't sure how committed we were yet, but we were pretty serious. And it was more in conversation. And what happened? We got married here at Meadowwood. And then Davey for our wedding, my husband was using the pool of Meadowwood and ran into a gentleman who's become a friend. And he mentioned this barn on a knoll overlooking vineyards. And my husband thought, that's kind of pretty great. So instead of leaving for a honeymoon the next day, we went and looked at real estate with his family. I love all the remembers looking at it. And he and I doing a high five and almost embarrassly so because the owner of the property was, you know, we thought this was not going to make the Jill work because she realizes we're excited about it. And we won't get a good price. But when we ended up getting a very good price, it was called IEDA, the vineyards name, after the owner. And we ended up raising our kids there for a while on weekends and living part-time in San Francisco. And we didn't realize it at the time, but the vineyard IEDA vineyard had a reputation of being an incredible wine. And so we ended up working with both Larry Turley who's an amazing wine maker. And we ended up doing a few cases ourselves and got into the wine business. It was really, it was a great trip. It was a great, great time in our lives. And Chuck Minne ultimately bought that. Absolutely. He did. He is one of the nicest men. Him and his wife, Ann are the nicest people. And we're so lucky. They were so excited about the vineyard. And at that time, we had two small children and we weren't sure where we were going, where we staying in San Francisco, where we can go up to the wine country more often. And so it just, it came at the right time. And it ended up being a great thing and certainly it changed our lives very much. So you were in the, you had the Ott Gallery, Cobalt Snyder in San Francisco when you were living there and commuting up here. And you still have the Ott Gallery down there. And then opened one here in St. Helena, which is absolutely spectacular. Oh, thank you. Yeah, yeah, really spectacular. Well, we ended up, we sold the vineyard, but we didn't want to sell our dream of being here on weekends. And so we ended up finding another place on West Symphony Lane. And that's where we, we became neighbors, became neighbors for ten years. And it was wonderful and beyond. And we, we started building this beautiful home there and doing all the landscaping. And every time we go down mainstream with the kids to go somewhere, we'd see this for cell sign in the star building, which is this historic building on Main Street. And we always kid around and we'd always say, oh, if that building comes up for, you know, comes up for sale, we're going to have to purchase it. Our family names star. Everybody in my husband's side of the family, their middle name is star, including our son. So we thought that was funny. And what happened, it came up for sale. They didn't check our first offer. And so we thought not meant to be. And I believe it went through two other escros, but because of the retrofit coming up, which is pretty, pretty normal. It's a work and financially the other two deals blew out. And so we went back in and gave them the same offer. They said, yes. And then, and then I remember, because we were living on Zinfandel Lane, that all of it did the architecture for that. I mean, that building is absolutely exquisite. Absolutely. Thank you very much. Such an amazing job. It is a great building. And that's so nice. You see that I was done building beautiful. Absolutely. Not so much my first spot. We were convinced Jimmy Hoffa was buried under the floorboards. It had been a little neglected and it was just old from 1900. So the fix it up was a dream for us. But it's spectacular. Thank you. Thank you. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. And so when we were first friends on Zinfandel Lane, you weren't in the fashion business. And I remember how you started to slowly get into it. So tell us how that, how that got off the ground. I love, I love clothes. You could ask my husband, I'm a shoeaholic, persaholic, and fashion is restaholic. And but what happened I have, I have, I'm a rather tall person, and I have long, long arms, a long legs. So everything always had to be re-evaluated, re-soned to kind of work with me. And through the years as I was little, I had the same problem growing up, you know, having, adding lace to the bottom of my pants because they were too short. And so I learned to sew. And as I got older, I love vintage clothes, things from the past, especially 1930s up to the 60s. And so I would always kind of create something and wear it sometimes. And I'd often have women come up to me and say, where did you, where did you get the sofa? Who is this? And I said, well, it's something I made. And it was great. It was nice to have a nice compliment on something you made. And it ended up morphing into something larger than I thought it would. And I love it. I love working with women. So my beginnings really start from a love of vintage, a love of creating something with a little bit of my creative energy in mind and making women so happy, making them feel good self-esteem. So that's where it began. But your inspiration really came from your grandmother. She tell us about your grandmother. I have a Nana Carla. She was wonderful. My father's stepmother actually, his real mother died when he was a young boy. And his stepmother, Carla, Nana Carla, which we called her, she lived in Hollywood since the late 20s. It was very avant-garde. She was very creative. She danced. She was a dancer to pianist. But her biggest claim to fame was being a choreographer and a dance model choreographer for Walt Disney Studios. And she would also appear in films in the background as a dancer in MGM Films and whatnot. And when we go to visit her where they live near the Hollywood Hills, growing up, she always just would come out and get the front door open. And we would see her and she always had the clip on earrings, a beautiful blouse. And she just, she always just took care of herself until the day she passed away. And I think seeing that always inspired me to, to always look my best because when we'd go out with her, people would come up to her and compliment her on, I love the way you did your hair. I love this color on you. And I also found that was a way for her to meet friends and meet new people. And I love people very much. And so I knew by having that little twist of doing things with her style and wearing a certain color and wearing a smile on your face. I'm convinced that wearing a smile on your face and having a kind heart brings people into your life. Oh, hundreds of fans. That's where it comes from. And she inspired me a lot. I have a beautiful girlfriend. She's German. And she told me recently, I said, oh, you always look so beautiful. And so does your two-year-old daughter, you like fashionistas. And she told me that style never takes a day off. No. And style never stops at the age of 50 either. I just turned 52 myself. And I do not mind getting old. I always think if you have an optimism about you and you're happy in general, aging is a wonderful thing. We tend to put a little bit of a dark cloud over aging. And I never wanted to be one of those women where we turned 50 and we're like, it's over. No, it's not over. It's the beginning of a great decade. It's the new 30s. And I think you should keep that going the rest of your life. We forget and we maybe sometimes stop taking care of ourselves. I find this is the best. It's easy to get into the switch. It's not easy to get into the switch. It is. It's like I do that every so often, of course, but dressing up is a lot more fun, I'd say. So how did you transition from people coming up on the street and asking you where did you get these beautiful clothes? So you obviously started making clothes. How did you get your first sale? I mean, what was what was it? It was very awkward because I have to tell you I am not a good salesperson. I hate having to take money from somebody. I just not like taking money, but you feel bad charging them because you know they're they're so happy with what you made them. And but unfortunately my account now is saying you can't quite do that all the time. You have to create a business. But there's a joy of thinking especially a woman because I grew up with sisters and I just love women. I have a lot of women in my family. I've lots of them. And I think what happened is it created this feeling. And so finally getting to the step where somebody wanted me to make them something, I felt, wow, I think this is this is going to be my new my new business and my new lifestyle. This is going to be great. And so what was the first transaction? How did you do that? The first transaction. I'm sorry, remember, well, you know it was funny because I never really sold things until a girlfriend by a dear friend Heidi Pettit who reached out to some people in Hollywood and had a connection to the Oscars and Golden Globes that people that attend those. And through that and through some blogs that were written about me on recycling clothes. I love taking old clothes and reinventing them using a little key or all this. They've been a huge thing again. And they recycle or they call it upcycling. And they're like such joy in doing that. They can show the things not thrown away but it's reused again and somebody loves it. And she reached or what happened is Olivia first, Colin first wife who was doing the King's speech at the time. I remember this. They reached out to me and through that I met the most amazing people through them. So what happened the stylist in LA who works with all the big movie stars, Olivia energy speech to her. And through that I was able to receive so many wonderful, you know, some opportunities to make clothes for movie stars, which was a dream that was to see it being worn and a photo on the red carpet. What have you? That to me was just incredible. And from there people would see there was something in in style on a dress I did on Jessica Chastain and so I had several orders from that. And it was great. And I felt like I've got a little business going on here. I better stick with them. Incredible. It's really fun. So you started out in San Francisco though. You started out dressing women in San Francisco. I did. I have a lot of friends sometimes and sometimes you find women that are quite insecure with themselves. It's often that women feel very insecure about her body and you don't want women to feel that way. I think all women are beautiful, no matter what your style is, your size. But sometimes you need somebody outside of yourself to tell you what will help you a little bit more. And I find that I'm very good at that. And so I started addressing women friends for free. It was basically dressing them up for events. For me it was just pleasure to see them wearing the dresses and wearing my costume jewelry or seeing how I told them to do their hair a certain way. They felt great. They felt great about themselves. And so I read in your bio that you like to dress women of all ages and all sizes. I do. I mean my next goal is I'm trying to, I've got connections right now. I'm hoping, hoping, hoping that Helen Mirren is a somebody I'm trying to reach out to. I think she's amazing. I think she's 70 foldable. And she's still sexing glamorous. I want to be her when I'm 75. Oh wow. I tend to look towards older actresses. And that might come from my grandmother because she was older and always look her best. I thought that was important. I thought that just made her feel good. And so tell us about some of the people that you, well no it's firstly I wanted to talk to you about how Napa Valley inspires your designs. When I moved here I was living in a city and we were lucky with a beautiful view of the bay. There was always color of the water blue and the sky and the trees. So there was always a little inspiration in San Francisco. But as I moved to Napa Valley and our views were vineyards I noticed that we actually have four seasons here in California. And you don't really see them sometimes. No, because we don't have snow or the extreme cold. And so I started seeing the oranges and raspberries. The vineyards would turn as they were going through their fall season losing their leaves. Everything the sky turned into a different color. And I would find colors in there that I would just want to go find a fabric that was that color. And it gave me an idea for color. And then summer would come or spring for example, mustard comes in. It's the most vibrant yellow. You know mustard yellow. And so I made a dress that was mustard yellow. I'm so beautiful with that. And I love old movies. Old movies to me. They always had a costume designer specifically for the actors and actresses in the film. And with that I know I always wanted to have an idea what the scene looked like and who the person was. And I create something that's one of a kind for them. The Napa Valley, I just have to say the beauty. The beauty and the lifestyle really helps me create things. And then how do you create for Hollywood? Like well, let's talk about how do you, who are some of the people that you dress for the red carpet? Let's stop with that. I've been very fortunate. I mean Jessica Chabstained who's not only nice but is absolutely beautiful. And she's got gorgeous gorgeous red hair and beautiful green hazel eyes. She's beautiful. And there's something about her and she's genuine. She's very nice. And so I knew first off I thought red, green. I got to a green dress for her. So I did that. And then the stylist reached out for other looks. And this was when she was doing the movie The Help. So through this stylist she thought whoa Violet Davis is in this film. I'd like you to dress Violet. So I did a beautiful one shoulder dress for Violet Davis. She's amazing. Beautiful figure by the way. But she's so beautiful and a nice person as well. And I did a red on her. There's many shades of red. We can't just say red because there's several shades. All three red, blue, red. Exactly. I did a poppy red on her and it was just exquisite. She looked beautiful. Gosh, other people I've dressed. Kristen Davis, Sex and the City are beautiful Charlotte York. Who is a, you know, Charlotte on Sex and the City. She'll have dressed her a couple of times. I've had so many good things happen through all these celebrities that I've done. And in fact, other people, people in politics. I often work with people that work on the film. That are the females behind the film, such as Spotlight. Oh really? They ask her for better film. Yes, I film. And the two producers, the female producers, reached out to me to say they don't do red carpets. It's not common. They do more of the work side. And when I was at a win, I needed to have something beautiful. I worked with them for their Golden Globes and their Oscar looks and it was so much. Well, you've made major inroads down in Hollywood. And Spot, I hope there's more to come. Yes. How often are you down there? You know, I'm seeing myself going down there more. I'd say once every five months. I mean, twice every four to five months. I'm down there at least twice, three times within that five month period. But now I'm going to hopefully be doing some more with another stylist. I hope to be down there once a month if I can't maybe twice. Fantastic. And you're still doing quite a few dresses for San Francisco. I know you're a part of the ballet. Absolutely. Yeah. I love the arts. I mean, in a world that's so crazy right now, we've got a lot of negative news out there. And I think if you can escape through the arts, whether it's music, you know, painting, all of us, dance, opera, what have you, I think that's always an important thing to always support are the arts. Yeah. And well, you guys are surrounded by art and culture all the time. It's part of a wonderful event that you host at the Cobals, not a gallery, the community. It's fantastic. And so you like working with women of a 50. Tell us about that. I do because I remember growing up and I've always said a pretty nice self esteem. I had great parents. My mother and dad are like, they're the Aussie and Harriet. Oh, they're the sweetest. And so they always, my father was always good about giving a compliment to my two sisters and myself. And my mother was always supportive. You could talk to her about anything. So I was very lucky. And I think sometimes when you don't grow up with that kind of support system, you tend to have self esteem problems. Not always, but I think I think it is an indicator about your relationship with your parents. And what happened is I found that having that background helped me work with women that are insecure a little bit about what they're doing. I have a positive approach to things because I know it's going to look good on them. Right. And they feel so confident, I guess, with my face. Because you make people feel confident. I try. And I'm like, I almost like the, I like to call myself the cool aunt. I come in and I treat them almost like a daughter or a niece. And I try to get them in the right direction of how to do things. And when we get a little older, we kind of downgrade ourselves by each decade. Right. 20 years old. Yes, I'm 20. Yeah, you're so excited. 30. You're going, oh, God, 30. You know, I'm going to have to have a baby, but I said, oh, my God, I'm not married or children. 40 comes around. Oh, that's a little tricky. So I never bothered me because I just was, I just kind of a happy person. And it's 50 comes around. I remember that was like, I started going, wow, 50. Wow. And then I realized, oh, I feel pretty good. Hip hasn't gone out yet. So I'm, I'm in a good place here. I feel like it's just important to keep being excited and evolving. Just never stop evolving about being happy, about growing old. Now, do you ever see yourself moving to Hollywood and down to LA? Well, if the offer is right, I could definitely do part time because I still love it here so much. So I would definitely have to do something where it works with a schedule where I can come home. Do you, do you think you could talk your husband into moving down there? I think he probably loves it. Oliver, Oliver likes the fact that I've worked with celebrities and I've worked in a little bit of TV and film and I think he's, he's excited about it. I'm going to have a really hard time getting him on the show. I know, I know I told him, he said, I'm coming. And then when I'm ready to do it again, he says, oh, my wife, she's so much more interesting. Oh, I know, I know he's, he's backpedaling. He's backpedaling. So let's talk, let's talk about the gallery. Let's do it. I'm ready. So tell us who your local, your most recent artists that you have on display there. We have so many, but you know, my husband, it's actually his business. I've dwindled in it a little bit. But I've really focused on raising kids and doing my business. But I've always been involved. And we have so many great artists. I mean, one of my favorites is bat lodgers. I mean, he's one of our amazing artists and he lives here. And so we get to see him quite often, which is great. And a lot of our artists, though, most of them have been coming from Europe. And so when we travel to Europe, I'm going to say, this is what you got to say. So you actually go and source artists, like you, as long as I've known you, you two have gone to the coolest places all over Europe. We'll go anywhere. We're anywhere. We're easy. You find these artists that are not famous. And then you make them famous. I mean, they're so talented. Well, it's, it's funny. I mean, it's, we've gone anywhere from going to a very small town in Wahaka, not knowing anything, but just hearing about artists being there and not knowing who to introduce ourselves to. And then show up at arts, art and craft store going, who do you think is a good artist in town? And it's a man who sells the paint. And he'll go, well, go see this guy. And from there, they recommend artists or what have you. We found some of our greatest Mexican painters through doing that. Oh, I know. So we're very lucky. And the same with Argentina too. You know, that's one place I haven't been yet. But I think that's the next trip. Where did you guys go? Was it Cuba? We've been to Cuba. That's right. We've been, we just got back from a incredible trip to the Netherlands, Germany, Italy. And that's some amazing new artists that are currently going to be shown very shortly. So we're very excited. Very, very, very cool. And so is Oliver enjoying the, the journey still with, uh, yes. No, I think a few years back, he was getting a little burned out because it was, we had kids and they were very young. And at that age, you know, it's, it's a, it's a lot of demand for your attention. But now that our kids are a little bit older now, you guys said, we, we can off. We know. We're so sad. I'm traveling for months. We're very lucky. So um, nothing against my children's. I love them so much. But it is nice for mom and dad have a nice vacation. Just the two of us. Um, so tell me, where do you make your, your gowns? I make them all here now. Is it just gowns or no? I've actually, I venture out, I almost can do anything now because I've been doing this for so long. Uh, I work with a wonderful lady. My, my dear friend Anna and she's here in St. Olena. So literally she is right down the street from us. I know Anna. Anna used to have a place in Yann Schill. She used to have a beautiful bride, bridal, bridal story. She did in Yannfield. Mm hmm. And then she ended up, she, she ended up becoming my lady that helps me. Um, she helps me create a couple of the books. And then mainly does the seamstress work and she's incredible. And she's become one of my best friends. She's so nice. We, her and I just laugh. We just laugh a lot. She's great. Well, you've been working so closely for so long. She's great. So do you have gowns on the rack? Um, I mean, are you just, you just make as you, I, I work the most, probably the most, crazyest way because it's probably not financially the sound way to start a business. But I will travel. I'll go to Morocco. I was there a couple of years ago and found fabrics that the bizarre and says. And it, it was crazy. But I found fabrics there. I just take them all. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. All handmade. And I had no idea what I was going to make with them. But I knew if I didn't get them, I was going to kick myself. Right. I will buy fabric. I have so much fabric stored in my garage, but I'm waiting till the right, right thing comes. But is it, so people come to you and said, like, do you to make me again? You don't actually have anything on the rack available at all. You, you may, I have some things I can try on and show them in the photos on my site and see the styles. But what happens? They feel confident. And I'm not, I'm glad that is like, that is the case. But they feel confident to ask me, what do you think I should wear? And that's a great thing. Yeah. And, um, so do you see yourself ever having, dresses, a shop front or I'm not sure if I like a shop. No. No, I think online. I would like to be in a store that would be great, but that would require a lot more business side of the, of what I do. Yes. I'm not very good at the business side. I have too much fun. I need some is maybe a type a person, but then you're going to take a lot of the fun out, right? I think that side of me wants to become the business. Exactly. And so I think the way I do now is so much fun. But if I had a wonderful person or person that would be interested, I would definitely take that seriously. Because it would be fun to be in some stores. Yeah. But I think right now you're just having way too much fun. And you know what, you don't have to worry about all of that. Yeah. No, when I still got my kids are still at home and my husband. So I mean, really the priorities really. Right. Right. Family. But certainly I'm seeing myself become less and less needed at home because my children are 2018 now. I still call them children, but well they are. They don't need me as much. Yeah. They still. Oh wait, 40 and 60. They're going to be a children. Exactly. They still will be my little boys. But certainly I find myself at me a little more time. So I would love to do that next chapter. I really do. So I ask everybody to set the end of the show. What are some of the changes that you how what year did you come here? We came here. We moved to officially at January 1996. Oh, you were five years before me. So what are some of the changes that you've seen? I mean, wow, it's been. It's been a lot of changes. But you know what that is. Yeah. It's fun. You know, a lot of people in this video don't like growth. And I understand that it's it's a it's a beautiful natural environment. I mean, obviously agriculture really based. But I think the biggest thing is things do evolve and you do need a little changes the years go by. If anything, I think the only thing I really see that's that's changed quite a bit. So I think there's more wineries out there. But there's some amazing wine being made. So you've got great people. They're very excited about being in the wine business. So it's it's become I'd say there's a larger population of great wineries. And certainly more interesting people may be visiting the valley. Isn't that amazing? Because it's created itself. It's in this reputation. Yeah, exactly. And so if you look into your crystal ball for the next 10 to 20 years, how do you see what what what do you visualize? Napa Valley looking like lifestyle over the next 10 to 20 years? It's funny because I own an historic building on Main Street. And so I've seen the photos of it since 1900. So you see all the changes. You know, first it was a train that went down the street like a small train. Then it became horses and carriage and then 1900, you know, cars started becoming more available and affordable. So you see the cars. It was a dirt road being street highway 20. Amazing, right? Actually, believe it or not everybody Saint Helena used to look like Kalastoga. It did. Kalastoga. I've been saying for 12, 15 years. I'm so bullish on it. Why didn't see what's going to happen up there? That'll change too. Yeah, you know, there change needs to happen in every evolution. Yeah. But there's things that remain the same. Living in a small town or living in the valley, we have open land. I find that the people are very nice here. And I think that never really quite goes away because I think they're happy because they see beauty. They see nature. And well, you can't be wine and cheese. And nobody's to nobody's tooting their horns. And no, there's not. I don't see a lot of that. I mean, I'm sure there may be a few out there. But the people we've known and grown to love here as friends. Oh, and the restaurants they know you are them postmas. Let's see. Somebody sent you mail to a, you know, such and such a dress. Do you want us to bring it over to you? You know, I love that. Exactly. Yes. Somebody gets ill. The whole town shows up. And there's certainly something beautiful about that. That's in the up valley more than that. I think it's a big country town. It is. You're right. It's definitely larger. There's definitely been more of a swing here up swing of new places to go. But certainly, it still holds its charm in some ways. Oh, no, it does. Yeah. And it's, and it certainly holds its values. That's the sure. And so many great restaurants. We're very lucky. We're so blessed to live here. It's a very idyllic lifestyle. And crime is so low. I mean, really, I mean, we have a police log here at St. Alina's store. And it's the funniest thing you'll ever see is there's no serious crime. I wrote about that. I wrote about that in just months news letter. My parents used to worry about me. And I'd say, I said in the police log. It's like, no. It's very funny. It's like, the only thing is like a straight car is in the driveway. Or a fight broke out. For your name is August working. And you wish that they maybe would quite double the dog. Unbelievable. Where in the world? Exactly. So we're very lucky. So I hope Napa Valley continues on this pace of bringing beauty. And, and a passion for people that come and visit it and also live here. Oh, yes. I'm very interesting. I love seeing people that come here and they're so excited to be here. I know. Very lucky. Very, very happy to be here. And I'm so happy to have you on the show. Thank you for having me. This is really fun. Thank you. It was great. Okay. Well, I hope you have a wonderful rest of your day. Thank you. Thank you for joining us. You can find more episodes of the show on my website, latifacen.com, or on my social media pages on LinkedIn, Instagram and my Facebook page, latifacen wine country properties. We have a stellar lineup of movers and shakers in the valley coming on the show. So I look forward to being with you next week and introducing you to another one of my fabulous gifts.